It was, however, easier to hold off-hand than a similar-weighted rifle and it was very stable on a bag due to much of its weight being distributed toward the rear. This not only allows for easier manipulation of the safety, it also prevents over gripping or torquing the rifle, while placing my thumb near the bolt knob for fast reloads. But, if you’re that guy who really wants to shoot a 300-grain bullet that stays supersonic out to 2,000 yards and doesn’t mind reconfiguring between each shot because you want a long barrel, but short overall length, then the LRKM and the 338 Terminator are for you. RECOILtv SHOT Show 2020: LaRue Tactical Siete, Forbes: Some more of the story on "gun approval". 5-6 loading on a case before they need annealed, or just toss them. Takedown is pretty straightforward, assuming you can turn two screws. Ryan Cleckner is a former special operations sniper and sniper instructor. It was exactly where I was aiming and my chronograph read 3,071 fps. After all, the throat is usually what goes first on a barrel because of intense heat and pressure generated by powder particles and friction from the bullet. The Edge and the Improved 338 Lapua were the velocity leaders. JavaScript is disabled. This is a problem with the LRKM. TEN: Publishing Media, LLC Harrison: Make sure someone else is taking the photos. I moved out to 600 yards and then quickly worked my way out to 1,000, where I placed three rounds in a 6-inch group on a steel gong. Your email address will not be published. It has actually increased accuracy and has not affected barrel life in a negative way at all. However, for the vast majority of shooters looking for an extreme long range rifle and cartridge, I’d recommend something like a Barrett MRAD in 338 Lapua Mag or even the new 300 PRC. Figured it’d be right up your alley. If your biggest risk of failure is spooking an animal, then you’re hunting. I have ran a search and found a response indicating around 1200 rounds for barrel life for this cartridge. Sign Up today for our FREE Newsletter and get the latest articles and news delivered right to your inbox. The 338 Terminator handily outperforms both (on paper). A conversation with the rifle’s designer cleared it up and this is, in my opinion, the most novel part of the entire system … It has a unique chamber that allows for a more powerful round while minimizing the chamber pressure. My question is whether a Savage action is a bad idea for a 338 Edge build. I am currently shooting a 300 ultra mag, and I am thinking about stepping up to a 338 cal round in the near future. The 338 Lapua Mag has been king for a while in the big-boy long-range cartridges. POD-150806, Home » Magazine » Issue 40 » Long-Range Killing Machine: The Defensive Edge 338 Terminator, This article originally appeared in RECOIL Issue 40. As you may know, bullpup-style rifles are generally known for having poor triggers (the linkage required usually results in poor trigger feel, slop in the system, and higher pull-weights). Joined Mar 20, 2008 Messages 716. I opened the cardboard box and found two monstrous ammunition containers with 50 rounds each of what looked like 338 Lapua ammo on steroids — slightly larger case capacity with a long, 300-grain Berger bullet sticking out. This was unexpected. All rights reserved. A 40-fps decrease is almost a 4-foot difference at 2,000 yards — enough to miss a target completely. You must log in or register to reply here. Click here to get IMMEDIATE ACCESS to a digital PDF of this target pack. Long-Range Killing Machine: The Defensive Edge 338 Terminator. Install a Wyatt's mag box or Seekins Detachable mag, and a 338 Edge barrel. They sell the brass for $400 for 100 pieces. All of the 30" Edge's that I have built run 2870-2920 with the 300 SMK. However, I personally recommend neither for most shooters. Thanks, Re: 338 Lapua vs 338 Edge??? Perhaps I shouldn’t have been so quick to judge the system. More on this after some ballistics of the round. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. JavaScript is disabled. I then opened the rifle case and found a bullpup single-shot bolt-action rifle with a very beefy 32-inch barrel in a pistol-grip chassis. Cowards. Sniper’s Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Yes, the design did save over a foot off the overall length but it introduced too many issues for me. However, it’s worth noting again: the Defensive Edge LRKM has an amazing trigger — and it happens to be a bullpup-style rifle. I have done all of them, 338 lapua, lapua Improved, norma and the Edge. The other long-range shooters at the range and I were pleasantly surprised with the rifle’s accuracy. Let me hear your arguments for one or the other. Harrison: (laughter with a British accent, of course). You may not agree, but you don’t have to — as for me, I’ll extend the stalk and not the shot. Caribou Media Group earns a commission from qualifying purchases. (Thank you for confirming that important point.) I am a big believer in quickly running the bolt and getting the rifle back into the fight for a quick follow-up shot if needed. Harrison: I saw pictures. Defensive Edge, the rifle’s manufacturer and designer, did include a kydex holder for two rounds forward of the ejection port so that a couple of spares were readily available. How did they get a 300-grain bullet traveling over 3,000 fps without serious over-pressure issues? The brass is gorgeous and the extreme spread (ES) of the velocity was 6 fps for the first 10 rounds — impressive indeed. His newest project is focused on family and organizational safety at Mayday Safety. http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1917087#Post1917087. I inspected the brass and noted no pressure signs. Also check out GunUniversity.com. Instead of simply having an elongated throat and thereby having too much free-bore with a consequent adverse effect on accuracy (I’m looking at you, Weatherby), they have the rifling start at the throat, but they don’t have the bore down to its final diameter yet. A 338 Lapua Mag will launch the same bullet at around 2,800 fps, and that extra 300 fps is a big difference and should result in some very high pressures. However, if your biggest risk of failure is missing the target, then you’re target shooting. Cleckner: You expect me to put my cheek on top of the chamber while I torch-off a 300-grain bullet out of ammo hand-loaded by someone else in a wildcat cartridge that is pushing a modified 338 Lapua Magnum to the extreme? Second, I needed to change my position between each shot. 338 edge barrel life. This really is novel — it allows the bullet to be controlled and start spinning without the abrupt start normally incurred with a standard chamber. All were accurate as hell. Here’s my opinion on the matter — not that you asked. My bias stems from operating the rifle and stability/height issues due to the stock being high enough to make room for the pistol grip. I shot 1,000 yards with 5.9 Mils of elevation above my 100-yard zero and 1,250 yards with 8 Mils of elevation. As a note, the rifle is billed as a solution for long-range hunting. does this sound about right? I know I’m in the minority here — there’s nothing “wrong” with pistol grip chassis, I simply prefer standard-style rifle stocks. You must log in or register to reply here. The ammunition loading was some of the best I’ve seen. OK, now I’m impressed. I have ran a search and found a response indicating around 1200 rounds for barrel life for this cartridge. And yes, this round is capable at 2,000 yards. this would be a defensive edge built rifle with a hart barrel. My money is on this helping to increase barrel life too. It’s effectively a 338 Lapua Mag Improved +P. Thread starter lamiglas; Start date Jun 10, 2008; Help Support Long Range Hunting : Join the LRH Team or . My worst at that distance was just over 1 MOA, and I attribute much of that to a poor fit for me and the rifle. If you don’t hear from me in a few hours, you know what happened. That’s a heavy bullet, traveling very flat, and packing a wallop on the target. So What’s the Verdict? So as of this writing, the “+P” design in 338 Edge has gained a little over 240 fps through reduced chamber pressure and allowing different powders. First Shots At the range, I set up the rifle and my chronograph and prepared to confirm the rifle’s zero at 100 yards. I noted ammunition headstamp, “338 Terminator,” and the rifle’s marking, “Defensive Edge LRKM” (which I later found stands for “Long Range Killing Machine”). Great. Required fields are marked *. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The 338 Terminator has some impressive stats. The brass starts out as extremely high-quality 338 Lapua brass, and then it’s fire-formed by Defensive Edge to push the shoulders forward a bit for its “improved” design. Carlock set about creating a basic.338-300 RUM wildcat, eager to obtain data and study its potential while expecting the same cartridge to be formalized as a Remington Chambering. The Cartridge The 338 Terminator is a monster. Founded by Frank Galli in 2014, Sniper’s Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to it’s users in one location. Firearms & Survivalists Lifestyle I've figgered out if I go 338LM, I'm just gonna buy a AR30. This rifle and cartridge are built for one purpose: launching a monster projectile a long way from a static position. Shooting 0.6 MOA at 1,000 yards is doable for me, but I surely don’t do it every time. does this sound about right? I’m a bigger guy and my large head usually requires a scope mounted further forward and a longer length of pull. What are the pos and neg. Cleckner: I’m heading to the range. A rifle case and a large cardboard box arrived for me in the mail. I opened the cardboard box and found two monstrous ammunition containers with 50 rounds each of what looked like 338 Lapua ammo on steroids — slightly larger case capacity with a long, 300-grain Berger bullet sticking out. A new round must be manually loaded into the rifle before closing the bolt. This system is only useful if you have the money for it ($4 per piece of brass is pricey), you hand-load ammunition (and are willing and capable of making extremely accurate rounds), and mostly want to shoot one round at a time from one location (the weight, function, and recoil of this rifle don’t match with “on the move” shooting). The Ultimate Firearms Destination for the Gun Lifestyle, © 2020 Recoil Magazine Harrison: Well, you didn’t expect me to do it, did you?

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